I don't know when it's going to happen but capitulation is definitely in the cards. Right now there is a decent bull/bear tug of war going on with the Fed riding the bull like they're at Gilley's.
We are in a depression not a recession. In past recessions the bear market left stocks with single digit P/E's and investors running for the hills supposedly never to return. But they did return after it was clear that the bear had ended and the bull was underway. Only problem was they missed the most violent leg up. The old sell low buy high maneuver. If stocks went to single digit P/E's after recessions where are they bound to go after this historic fiasco and depression we find ourselves in?
I can't say where the market is going this week or next but I am confident we will ultimately see capitulation. The next time there is a lot of fear I'm going to load up on options for the ride down toward capitulation. I think the bottom will be S&P 600 if the U.S. is lucky. When one does the math to get stocks to single P/E's the numbers are scary low.
Whatever you do don't buy into the argument that we're at a market bottom. I can't recommend writing any covered calls or writing puts unless they are on precious metals or bear ETF's. After capitulation that's a different story altogether.
How will you know when you see capitulation? Anyone who was optimistic and bullish will have been taken out to the woodshed to be ripped to shreds by the bear. When your barber and mechanic swear off stocks forever it's time to ride a massive bull rally that most will miss out on due to their fear.
Saturday, March 21, 2009
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In my opinion, 600 in optimisic target for the S&P. I think everyone would be well served to read Peter Schiff's book, "The little book of bull moves in bear markets" and Harry Dent's book, "The great depression ahead". I agree with ou completely PC, capitulation is coming an it's gonna be ugly. Thanks again for the great commentary!
Hi PC,
Sold JULY FAZ $10 puts.
I'll be watching closely for sure. I'm not trading currently, but I am watching for the sake of having one of the most rare economic events unfolding right in front of me. In the last recession, we started off with Hoover, who was an economic conservative. This time around is obviously not that case, so I'm going to go ahead and bet against you on another capitulation leg. A retest to establish the bottom, but not another capitulation.
I thought the problem was systemic two years ago when I realized the fed had been bubbling up the housing market for years and we had just seen the housing market start to decline. The fact that it took two years for the whole thing to finish popping and that the banks managed to be stupid enough to get caught does have me worried.
I'm working on a book to present a chaos market theory I co-developed with a friend. It's going to be really elegant and will have a lot of telling conclusions regarding the level of limited determinism in the market and what it tells us about financial markets. I'm looking for feedback so I can figure out which parts of the material are working and which parts need to be bailed out. I can only guarantee you'll find it interesting over the next week as I get to the model fully fleshed out on the blog.
cool post, good luck with the book
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